A Manual Aston Martin Vantage Is Happening But A V12 Is Unlikely

We caught up with Aston Martin Chief Engineer Matt Becker to talk manuals, DCTs and V12s
A Manual Aston Martin Vantage Is Happening But A V12 Is Unlikely

Given that it’s supposed to be the sportier brother to the DB11, you’d be forgiven for wondering why the new Aston Martin Vantage has a regular torque converter automatic gearbox from ZF. Particularly when the company from which its V8 engine is borrowed - Mercedes-AMG - makes a brutally efficient seven-speed dual-clutch.

It’s partly down to smoothness, Aston Martin Chief Engineer Matt Becker explained to us at the launch of the car in Portugal this month. “The auto gives you a better blend of normal use and track use; DCTs at low speeds can be a little bit shunty,” he said. Taking Andy Palmer’s learnings from his Nissan days: “with the GT-R you get a lot of complaints about dual-clutch in certain markets,” he added.

The other factor is cost - the development work for mating the 4.0-litre AMG engine with a ZF auto on a transaxle has already been done for the DB11 V8, after all. “The investment for that [a DCT] would be huge,…If we’d have gone dual clutch we wouldn’t have done a manual,” he said. Yep, that’s right, a Vantage manual is definitely happening, with a seven-speed stick shift version joining the range next year.

The retiring V12 Vantage is unlikely to receive a successor
The retiring V12 Vantage is unlikely to receive a successor

But what about a V12? Is there a place for that in the line-up? It’s technically possible but probably won’t happen, and it’s all to do with the weight of Aston Martin’s new 5.2-litre twin-turbo unit relative to the AMG-sourced V8. “It will fit, but there are no plans at the moment,” Becker said, adding, “It’s 100kg heavier, and you have to think about this engine [the V8] - 500bhp is not the limit of this engine. You’ve got E63s with over 600bhp.”

With that in mind, you’d have to crank up that V12 - which makes 600bhp in the DB11 - to a particularly ridiculous power figure just to make fitting it worthwhile. Becker brands the possibility of such a car “unlikely,” but didn’t rule it out entirely for the future. “We have a special vehicle operations team that do things like [Vantage] GT12s and GT8s, so it is possible that they may want to do something like that in the future, just a limited run,” he said.

Comments

TheMindGarage

I say build a N/A version of the 5.2-litre unit. Given the short stroke, I reckon 8.5-9k RPM would be possible. But maybe that’s something for the future Vanquish instead…

03/28/2018 - 15:46 |
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Will Tasillo

Me wanty very muchy

03/28/2018 - 16:05 |
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Anonymous

Why did I see a F-Type on the thumbnail?

03/28/2018 - 18:27 |
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TheBagel

Well… Either DCT V12 or Manual V8

03/28/2018 - 19:17 |
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Lucas Cassan

I just want to slap half of the manufacturers out there in the damn face for just dropping their culture like its useless. Ford with v6 GT, Aston with no V12, Ferrari with turbos, Nissan thinking young people want SUV’s, multiple companies refusing to use manual transmissions. If this is where the car world is going, im out.

03/28/2018 - 22:03 |
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All of these decisions make perfect sense, the v6 GT is a racecar, not a showcar, Aston shaved off weight by dropping the v12 off the lineup, Ferrari was approaching the limits of natural aspiration, young people do actually buy SUV’s, manuals have been surpassed by a superior automatic transmission

03/29/2018 - 07:21 |
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Klush

A suprise to be sure, yet a welcome one.

03/29/2018 - 05:13 |
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Niko Ala-Rämi 🇫🇮

Then they say you can have v12 with dct

03/29/2018 - 06:06 |
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And people will shut up about it

03/29/2018 - 07:22 |
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Rich_WVU

Great, I’m sure all 3 buyers will be thrilled!

03/29/2018 - 10:33 |
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DriftMaster2.0

Again

03/31/2018 - 06:59 |
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By again I mean I used this in another post

03/31/2018 - 06:59 |
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Anonymous

I could live with that

04/07/2018 - 13:28 |
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