Why Are People So Angry About The New A90 Toyota Supra?

On paper, bringing the famous Supra nameplate back at all is a mountain-moving operation, so why is the web still full of hate for it?
Why Are People So Angry About The New A90 Toyota Supra?

There was a time when you could have put the word Supra on a lawnmower and people would have gone nuts for it. Written in that iconic paint-brush script we’d all recognise a mile away, it was a name that fuelled - or even ignited - our passion for cars.

Things seem to have changed a bit. Go on Twitter today and search for general Supra conversation and there’s a tonne of negativity about the rebirth of what was a stone-cold legend. Surely we should all be ecstatic it’s back and already be counting the days until the first drives, right?

Err, wrong. Sections of the public and media alike have grabbed their pitchforks and flaming torches, and the new Supra is the subject of a witch hunt. The angry mob says it’s not a Toyota; that it’s just a re-bodied BMW Z4 and unworthy of the Supra nameplate, which has been placed on a pedestal so high that only astronauts could have a hope of bringing it back down to earth again.

The reality, of course, is that if Toyota had had to complete the Supra project alone, it never would have got past the drawing board. To even think about competing with the legend of the A80 Supra Toyota knew that the bar had to be set ridiculously high. The A90’s torsional stiffness matches the incredible Lexus LFA’s, after all, despite using only metals rather than carbonfibre.

Why Are People So Angry About The New A90 Toyota Supra?

It’s also, in the words of the great Tetsuya Tada, the A90’s chief engineer, “the last present from Toyota to those who enjoy hearing the pleasing sound of a pure petrol engine at high revs,” so it really does have to be good. To fail here is not just to fail the Supra legacy, but to publicly shame Toyota. The company took more than double the normal development time over the car in order to get it just how it wanted. It’s going to be good.

Look on parts all around the car and you’ll see no end of BMW logos, the furious commenters have said. To that, we say: well, duh – BMW’s obligations within the contract involve supplying all that, and we’ve known as much since the project was announced. The interior is vastly more BMW than Toyota, which is a bit weird, but the Japanese giant has spent four years since last speaking to BMW about the car tweaking and honing it.

Why Are People So Angry About The New A90 Toyota Supra?

In any case, having a BMW chassis tuned by Toyota best sounds like the best of both worlds. Likewise with an engine that’s every bit as ripe for tuning as the 2JZ in the A80. The cheaper 2.0-litre Supra meanwhile is great news for anyone wanting to drop anything else under the hood, with chief engineer Tetsuya Tada instructing them “Please buy the four-cylinder. It will be cheaper,” Road & Track reported last year.

The range-topping 3.0-litre item will be boosted to within an inch of its life by tuners within months of the car going on sale. The aftermarket scene will be a distant but fully-formed echo of the A80’s. There’ll be options to lower it, add new wheels, widen the track, add more aero and so on. What’s not to love?

The number of fake vents has been blasted as well. Sure, on the road car they cheapen the look despite lowering drag versus functional vents (because emissions ratings matter). But here’s the key to Toyota’s thinking: they’re there because they can be made functional when you start to tune it. They provide neat solutions; more places to route induction tubing, mount radiators or draw hot air away, all without needing to budget for new bodywork. Call us nuts, but that’s actually really clever.

What would Toyota have had to do to avoid all the criticism it’s receiving? It would have had to come up with an impossible formula consisting of fully in-house engineering and a brand new engine instead of the unsuitable Lexus sixes. That would have led to spiralling R&D costs and a price to compete with the Porsche 911. That’s not a fight a Supra would win. Performance targets might have been clipped by budgets and the whole thing could have ended up as an under-baked, overpriced travesty.

Why Are People So Angry About The New A90 Toyota Supra?

What we’ve been given is, granted, a BMW-branded product in many areas beneath the skin. Any Supra, though, should be more than the sum of its parts no matter who supplied them. Toyota’s uncommon amount of hard work and dedication will give the A90 a DNA that’s far more in tune with what people expect in continuation of the A80 era. It may hide a few German roundels, but you can bet the new Supra has Toyota blood.

Comments

Anonymous

Thanks for writing this. I’ll admit that when I first saw accurate renders of what the supra would look like I was underwhelmed. But the design has grown on me. I actually considered putting off ordering my BMW m240 to order a supra instead. Personally, what I’m feeling reactions are reflecting is the weirdness of a German car and a Japanese car coming together and people justifying their inability to cope with that. Obviously, there are a lot of other arguments as well that I’m not downplaying (as I agree with some), but really….Toyota gave us a Supra. Only Toyota has the right to decide what is an isn’t a Supra at the end of the day

01/21/2019 - 21:28 |
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JonathanT75

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

As much as I want you to buy a supra, there is a fair price delta

01/26/2019 - 23:31 |
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Nehva

People are hating the car and yet no proper review was made, from what I can observe I think Toyota played it great, they took a reliable and tested platform and added their special spice to it.
Why can’t we appreciate the fact that Toyota managed to build a car in 2019 that complies to emission and safety standards and has all the creature comforts of a modern car but with the power to weight ratio of a 90’s car. People who find automatics a threat are just insecure, any experienced driver will praise a good box regardless if its manual or automatic. Can’t wait for some proper reviews and facts, because this data sheet quarreling is pointless.

01/22/2019 - 13:30 |
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Why Are People So Angry About The New A90 Toyota Supra?
Brockwalters

I’m angry because we were promised this and was massively let down

01/22/2019 - 16:26 |
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Anonymous

Because 3/4 of the internet is filled with mindless children whove never actually driven a car before.

01/22/2019 - 17:36 |
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Niemiah G.

What I don’t like: No manual transmission in a purist’s car, and BMW engine unreliability.
What I do like: Everything else. Looks good, sounds good, not too flashy or understated. It makes sense. There are much worse things on the market to complain about than this.

01/23/2019 - 21:40 |
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Myrmeko (#CTSquad)

Let’s end this once and for all.
People don’t like this, NOT because it doesn’t have a 2JZ, but because they left BMW almost all of the work.

A common, but irrelevant example people give is the GT86/BRZ.
But in that case Toyota and Subaru build that car TOGETHER. They put the same amount of work into it and look at how good the result was.

But this time, they took a BMW platform, a BMW engine, a BMW transmission, a BMW… Everything.
“Tweaking” an already existing product is not enough to call it your own. That’s called tuning. It’s a Z4 tuned by Toyota.

It would have been just fine to keep the Celica name, only have a 2.0 inline-4 version and an optional AWD variant using BMW’s XDrive tweaked by Toyota.

There is one thing to outsource the engine, but there is a whole other thing to outsource the whole car.

It has too many BMW parts to be called its own thing.

I don’t understand how y’all still don’t get it why people are angry.

TL;DR:
-2JZ doesn’t matter
-the whole car has been outsourced to BMW, not just the engine
-Toyota only tuned stuff

01/26/2019 - 15:31 |
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MK3SupraFellow

I like the car, what think is that it went from a GT four-seater 2-door car to a 2-door 2-seater roadster. Technically speaking, it’s not a real replacement to the Supras before it. I don’t mind much else about it, that’s it.

02/06/2019 - 14:08 |
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Basith Penna-Hakkim

Everyone is hating because they are just calling it a BMW
The Z4 and Supra are meant to be two different cars and that is because of Toyota
The suspension, the design, and the engine is tuned by Toyota
The BMW engine was because of costs and so that the Supra maintains a straight six engine
The only thing I don’t like is the interior which it should have been the Lexus interior from the RC F
Honestly, I think it is a great sports car and I would love to have one
And also the manual transmission is coming

03/08/2019 - 15:35 |
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Basith Penna-Hakkim

I really like the new Supra and it is a great sports car thanks to Toyota
I would mod it out like a 1JZ swap with 6-speed manual, TE37s, lowered Bilstein shocks, Recaro seats, MOMO steering wheel, and of course the original wing from the MkIV Supra
A80 and A90 Supra is like father and son

03/08/2019 - 15:36 |
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Anonymous

People hate it bcuz they realize now what a POS the old Supra was from its cringeworthy exhaust note and unreliable 2JZ motor, arguably one of the worst production engines found in any car over the last 25 years. Should never have been made, and neither should this.

03/14/2019 - 05:06 |
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