Nissan Stagea: Overhyped? #blogpost

During the mid 1980’s Nissan was developing two engine families which would become the basis for the 90’s Japanese sports cars. These were the RB straight six and the VG V6 engines.

Nissan Stagea: Overhyped? #blogpost

During the mid 1980’s Nissan was developing two engine families which would become the basis for the 90’s Japanese sports cars. These were the RB straight six and the VG V6 engines. In turbo form, these engines were on the edge of 280HP - the limit of what was the Gentleman’s Agreement at the time.

Although they are best known in sports cars, the RB and VG were also used in more family-friendly sedans such as the Cefiro, Laurel,Skyline, Gloria, Cedric, and Leopard - the Cefiro later jumped from the RB to the VG.

That was a lot of options from one company in the sedan market, however the market for a sporty stationwagon was relatively untapped and only Subaru had utilised this; Mitsubishi was quick on the case with the Libero GT and Legnum VR4.

Thus it was only natural that Nissan would want a share of the market. In 1996, one month after the release of the Legnum, the Nissan Stagea was available to purchase in Japan.

But is it as good as everyone thinks?

First of all let’s take a look at what we all know.

It’s a sports wagon, it has the suspension, engine, gearbox, and 4-wheel-drive layout of the R33 GT-R, and it was in Gran Turismo, so it must be great…

Unfortunately that wasn’t always the case.

Nissan Stagea: Overhyped? #blogpost

To begin, let us take a look at the different trim levels:

The Nissan Stagea lineup consists of the 25X, 25G, 25X Four, 25RS Four, RS Four and 25T RS Four (up until the VQ generation).

Only the last two variants of that list were powered by the RB25DET; Autech took the RS Four to make their 260RS.

Later models used the same VQ series of engine as most other RWD Nissans made between 2003 and 2014.

Let’s also remember that not everyone in Japan is interested in speed - most were powered by the same RB25DE as the 25GT R34, and many Stageas were bought as family wagons or work vans where it didn’t make much sense to use a turbo car.

As they were leaning towards the luxury market, it was very rare to see a manual transmission in a Stagea. In order to get a manual transmission, you would have to purchase a 4WD and have it turbocharged. Even then, it wasn’t until 1998 that Nissan offered the 5-speed manual in the Stagea.

In the M35 generation, only the Autech Axis offered the optional 6-speed RWD.

Also note that the RB25DET in the Stagea only had 231HP from factory until August 1998.

Nissan Stagea: Overhyped? #blogpost

Is it actually the “Skyline Wagon”?

If we take a look at the chassis code we can see that it is a WGNC34. You may or may not know that only the last letter represents the chassis, for example BCNR33 means 2.6L engine with 4WS and 4WD on an R33 chassis.We can decipher than N is 4WD (also note the RWD Stageas are WGC34), and WG could mean wagon.

So what is the C-part?

Looking at other Nissans, we can ascertain that C is the chassis code for the Nissan Laurel. So does this mean that the Stagea is the Laurel wagon?

Possibly.

The WGC34 Stagea and C34 Laurel both have a wheelbase of 2720mm while the R34 Skyline has a wheelbase of 2665. You can also point out that both the C33 Laurel and R33 Skyline have a wheelbase of 2720mm, however those are both previous generation.

It is also worth noting that the suspension will not swap straight into a Skyline unless you swap the top hats, and even then it only fits in Skyline sedans. It does however fit into a C34 Laurel…

Sorry to take away your bragging rights, but this isn’t necessarily a bad thing; the Nissan Laurel is a well-known drift car in countries that were lucky enough not to have banned them (alongside the Toyota JZX), and the C130 generation is a highly sought after rarity.

Should you buy one?

If they are abundant (like in NZ or Japan), then you can pick one up as cheap as $2000 - but remember it might not be 4WD or turbocharged, and at that price it will have softer suspension meaning it leans into corners much like a TX Subaru Legacy. It will also have a cloth interior resembling a Legacy, and the whole rear interior is reminiscent of… a Legacy. As I mentioned above, many were n/a fitted with either the RB20DE at 152HP or the RB25DE at 197HP.

However luxury spec can have leather seats and turbo variants are likely to have stiffer suspension, meaning not all are as bad as the one I drove.

Having inspected a bad example, common problems you may encounter include rust around the mirrors and doors, oil leaks from the valve covers, sluggish gear changes in the auto, steering rack might whine and may die soon after, and cambelt needing replacement around 250,000Km.

Considering many countries banned them or didn’t import them used, sourcing parts can be an issue. They were rarely manual, however you could still use the gearbox and pedals from other RB Nissans if you don’t mind not having a centre console.

The RB25DET will have the same parts and tune-ability as the Skyline and Laurel, however the Stagea weighs up to 1620Kg in turbo-4WD layout, or 1720Kg for the Autech 260RS. Just for reference, the heaviest R34 sedan weighs 1490Kg while the heaviest BH5 Subaru weighs 1560Kg.

Nissan Stagea: Overhyped? #blogpost

My recommendation: Don’t go for “street cred” - this is where you make mistakes that may leave you shaking your head (like stickerbombs, or the garden hedging riveted to your front bumper). The novelty of owning a rare/cool car does wear off eventually, and you will start noticing how sluggish and boaty it feels after a while of owning.

Instead of buying a Stagea, how about a Subaru GTB E-Tune or Blitzen. They have the same practicality, space and speed, and only weigh 1490Kg. Also there are more around and many of them came off the production line as a manual. Just make sure you get one with a bonnet scoop - you will thank me later.

Thanks to SAU
Thanks to SAU

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Comments

Anonymous

I love my nissan. Id rather poop in my hands and clap than swap it for a subaru!

12/11/2016 - 10:49 |
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MoistCat

Stageas can be easily found in Australia.
I picked mine up for AUD$4,000, just had rough body work. But interior and mechanicals are solid, I daily drive mine. Nice tunability due to the RB25DET and I don’t like owning common cars like a Falcon or Commodore. I’ve managed to order parts through my local Nissan dealer, no real issue getting parts.

12/11/2016 - 13:13 |
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Andrew G.

Yeah, Legacy GTB is the best…

12/12/2016 - 03:04 |
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The price to power ratio is pretty good - unlike the Legnum, Legacies plummet in value until they’re worth nothing.

12/12/2016 - 04:54 |
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Kyle

why are you comparing the stagea to the R34? it was never based on the R34 or meant to match with it. It was all based on R33 stuff hence things actually fit…….and the Autech uses all R33 running gear, engine, gbox, diff. attessa…..so not quite sure what ur on about.

12/12/2016 - 05:16 |
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Soarer-Dom

In reply to by Kyle

The point I was getting at is that it also has similarities with the Laurel, such as the wheelbase and how the strut towers follow the same convention between the turbo and n/a models. The C34 Laurel was available since 1993, 3 years later the WGC34 was released - Nissan could have named it the WGR33.

12/12/2016 - 08:38 |
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Anonymous

I was almost going to buy a stagea but went for a legnum vr4 instead, probably a better choice, no one knows what it is and the police have no idea how quick it really is.

12/12/2016 - 08:06 |
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Soarer-Dom

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

Nice.

12/12/2016 - 08:39 |
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Anonymous

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

nice right up until your inner bank needs some sparkplugs, or, i pray it does not happe to you, needs a valve cover gasket. The unique V with a turbo between the head and the firewall is on another level of stupid.

Hope you have really skinny tools to do tbelt on it with the belt just inches away from the front side apron.

12/12/2016 - 19:02 |
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Anonymous

Ive owned a legacy gt wagon, a vr4 legnum and a rs4 stagea and they were all cool/fun cars but in New Zealand you can pick up gt legacys and legnums for around $1500-$3000 but rs4 stageas are worth about $4000-$5000 with no mods and most kiwis love nissan rb and sr. Theres such a huge market for rb aftermarket parts over here and definitely have huge street cred would take another stagea anyday

P.s. this is my old one

12/12/2016 - 10:33 |
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Anonymous

Great piece. I learned a lot about this thing. Thanks!

12/12/2016 - 15:18 |
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Michael M
12/13/2016 - 04:48 |
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Michael M

So as some will know i own a Stagea, Rs Four, my biggest complaint with it is that it is a automatic which i’m not happy about that but other than that its a fantastic car, it sounds great and it has amazing tuning abilities, The car stock, unless you get a 260RS wont be the fastest thing on the street, i ran a 16.2 1/4 which is horribly slow but i also have a boost leak making only 5 psi instead of the stock 7 psi, the problem with the Subaru is that they are already at the most they can really do with minor mods, anything more and you risk the reliability while the RB can do way more than the Subaru, Id still love to own the GTB and i almost bough one but the Stagea comes on top for me, if mine had the manual it would be a 8/10 car with some minor things id like to see fixed, I think the Stagea is underrated for what it is, not many people know about it, they look fantastic and the engines are great, plus they are super cheap.

12/13/2016 - 04:57 |
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