Nissan Stagea: Overhyped? #blogpost

During the mid 1980’s Nissan was developing two engine families which would become the basis for the 90’s Japanese sports cars. These were the RB straight six and the VG V6 engines.

Nissan Stagea: Overhyped? #blogpost

During the mid 1980’s Nissan was developing two engine families which would become the basis for the 90’s Japanese sports cars. These were the RB straight six and the VG V6 engines. In turbo form, these engines were on the edge of 280HP - the limit of what was the Gentleman’s Agreement at the time.

Although they are best known in sports cars, the RB and VG were also used in more family-friendly sedans such as the Cefiro, Laurel,Skyline, Gloria, Cedric, and Leopard - the Cefiro later jumped from the RB to the VG.

That was a lot of options from one company in the sedan market, however the market for a sporty stationwagon was relatively untapped and only Subaru had utilised this; Mitsubishi was quick on the case with the Libero GT and Legnum VR4.

Thus it was only natural that Nissan would want a share of the market. In 1996, one month after the release of the Legnum, the Nissan Stagea was available to purchase in Japan.

But is it as good as everyone thinks?

First of all let’s take a look at what we all know.

It’s a sports wagon, it has the suspension, engine, gearbox, and 4-wheel-drive layout of the R33 GT-R, and it was in Gran Turismo, so it must be great…

Unfortunately that wasn’t always the case.

Nissan Stagea: Overhyped? #blogpost

To begin, let us take a look at the different trim levels:

The Nissan Stagea lineup consists of the 25X, 25G, 25X Four, 25RS Four, RS Four and 25T RS Four (up until the VQ generation).

Only the last two variants of that list were powered by the RB25DET; Autech took the RS Four to make their 260RS.

Later models used the same VQ series of engine as most other RWD Nissans made between 2003 and 2014.

Let’s also remember that not everyone in Japan is interested in speed - most were powered by the same RB25DE as the 25GT R34, and many Stageas were bought as family wagons or work vans where it didn’t make much sense to use a turbo car.

As they were leaning towards the luxury market, it was very rare to see a manual transmission in a Stagea. In order to get a manual transmission, you would have to purchase a 4WD and have it turbocharged. Even then, it wasn’t until 1998 that Nissan offered the 5-speed manual in the Stagea.

In the M35 generation, only the Autech Axis offered the optional 6-speed RWD.

Also note that the RB25DET in the Stagea only had 231HP from factory until August 1998.

Nissan Stagea: Overhyped? #blogpost

Is it actually the “Skyline Wagon”?

If we take a look at the chassis code we can see that it is a WGNC34. You may or may not know that only the last letter represents the chassis, for example BCNR33 means 2.6L engine with 4WS and 4WD on an R33 chassis.We can decipher than N is 4WD (also note the RWD Stageas are WGC34), and WG could mean wagon.

So what is the C-part?

Looking at other Nissans, we can ascertain that C is the chassis code for the Nissan Laurel. So does this mean that the Stagea is the Laurel wagon?

Possibly.

The WGC34 Stagea and C34 Laurel both have a wheelbase of 2720mm while the R34 Skyline has a wheelbase of 2665. You can also point out that both the C33 Laurel and R33 Skyline have a wheelbase of 2720mm, however those are both previous generation.

It is also worth noting that the suspension will not swap straight into a Skyline unless you swap the top hats, and even then it only fits in Skyline sedans. It does however fit into a C34 Laurel…

Sorry to take away your bragging rights, but this isn’t necessarily a bad thing; the Nissan Laurel is a well-known drift car in countries that were lucky enough not to have banned them (alongside the Toyota JZX), and the C130 generation is a highly sought after rarity.

Should you buy one?

If they are abundant (like in NZ or Japan), then you can pick one up as cheap as $2000 - but remember it might not be 4WD or turbocharged, and at that price it will have softer suspension meaning it leans into corners much like a TX Subaru Legacy. It will also have a cloth interior resembling a Legacy, and the whole rear interior is reminiscent of… a Legacy. As I mentioned above, many were n/a fitted with either the RB20DE at 152HP or the RB25DE at 197HP.

However luxury spec can have leather seats and turbo variants are likely to have stiffer suspension, meaning not all are as bad as the one I drove.

Having inspected a bad example, common problems you may encounter include rust around the mirrors and doors, oil leaks from the valve covers, sluggish gear changes in the auto, steering rack might whine and may die soon after, and cambelt needing replacement around 250,000Km.

Considering many countries banned them or didn’t import them used, sourcing parts can be an issue. They were rarely manual, however you could still use the gearbox and pedals from other RB Nissans if you don’t mind not having a centre console.

The RB25DET will have the same parts and tune-ability as the Skyline and Laurel, however the Stagea weighs up to 1620Kg in turbo-4WD layout, or 1720Kg for the Autech 260RS. Just for reference, the heaviest R34 sedan weighs 1490Kg while the heaviest BH5 Subaru weighs 1560Kg.

Nissan Stagea: Overhyped? #blogpost

My recommendation: Don’t go for “street cred” - this is where you make mistakes that may leave you shaking your head (like stickerbombs, or the garden hedging riveted to your front bumper). The novelty of owning a rare/cool car does wear off eventually, and you will start noticing how sluggish and boaty it feels after a while of owning.

Instead of buying a Stagea, how about a Subaru GTB E-Tune or Blitzen. They have the same practicality, space and speed, and only weigh 1490Kg. Also there are more around and many of them came off the production line as a manual. Just make sure you get one with a bonnet scoop - you will thank me later.

Thanks to SAU
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Comments

Crawlerer79

Gotta love livin’ in NZ :D

12/11/2016 - 01:37 |
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Anonymous

You did fail to mention the fact the 260rs is powered by the legendary RB26DETT, and uses the same 4wd system as the GTR, that alone make it a way cheepr albeit heavier GTR in my eyes anyway. I’m also biased as a huge wagon fan haha.

12/11/2016 - 02:03 |
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Soarer-Dom

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

I was going to mention that, but Autech is more of a tuning company that does their own thing based on Nissan chassis although they are closely tied to Nissan. The turbo manual Stagea is rare enough; the Autech is even rarer.

12/11/2016 - 07:34 |
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Anonymous

It’s worth noting that they come with both McPherson strut in the front and Double Wishbone in the front depending on the model so Skyline suspension parts do in fact fit certain models.

I’ve always considered it to be a nice handling car without that much roll given the weight, even car enthusiast friends that have come for ride alongs have mentioned that it’s unexpectedly flat around corners and keeps holding on. That said mine is 4WD so it’s also running the ATTESA torque split system and has a double wishbone front end.

I haven’t had any issues with parts here in NZ as every mechanical part tends to be shared with one of the main RB Nissan cars, a bit of research and being a part of the Stagea community does ease that up. That said interior bits such as the manual center console from a S2 are hard to come by,

I can relate to the comments about many being N/A which also relates to Skylines however as people always seem to assume that all Skylines are 500hp+ monsters when in reality half the Skylines I see on the road are powered by single cam RB20E’s with an auto trans behind them.

The rarity of the turbo manual models make for an interesting sight when you do seem them about on the road and compared to the other competing wagons such as Legacy’s, Legnum’s and Caldina’s they stand well.

So while I wouldn’t consider them overhyped, the higher end models which are damn nice cars are often misinterpreted as being readily available and common.

12/11/2016 - 04:22 |
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Soarer-Dom

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

It is quite common to swap Silvia suspension into Skylines, Cefiros, Laurels and Stageas to lower them, but that still requires a bit of modification (usually just the tophats).
Last time I checked TradeMe, there was only one turbo Stagea, and I think NZ and Russia got the bulk of the used market that Japan sells off.
Considering most of the world doesn’t have Stageas while Skylines are quite rare, parts would be too - I have a strong suspicion that GT-R parts are not a direct swap even into the Autech 260RS as everyone makes out to be. But once again it’s all about knowing what parts were shared between which cars. I have a couple Stagea parts in my Skyline, as well as R33, Silvia and BMW.

12/11/2016 - 07:45 |
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Anonymous

Your argument is invalid :P

12/11/2016 - 06:21 |
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Soarer-Dom

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

I followed this and even considered the VH swap (meaning I would have to ask MCM about the sandwich adapter plate and which flywheel (Z32?)), but that Stagea really leaned into the corners when they tested it in their video a fortnight ago. He should have invested in some better struts.

12/11/2016 - 07:49 |
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Anonymous

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

V8 is not communist. Tgt reference.

12/12/2016 - 19:06 |
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Anonymous

Living in Japan and driving one a few times, I have found them to be a great car, reliable and fun. Yes they are slightly over hyped but certainly better than a Subaru b4.

12/11/2016 - 06:25 |
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Soarer-Dom

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12/11/2016 - 07:42 |
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Anonymous

Odd thing you mention

“Having inspected a bad example, common problems you may encounter include rust around the mirrors and doors, oil leaks from the valve covers, sluggish gear changes in the auto, steering rack might whine and may die soon after, and cambelt needing replacement around 250,000Km.”

as if these are problems unique to the Stagea….. What 16 year old car is not susceptible to rust? Subaru VCG are horrible at keeping seal and good luck replacing them when leaking. Steering rack whine only because someone ran it dry that’s totally operator’s error. Cam belt you better tend to it at 100,000 intervals not 250,000, that’s same story with a EJ208.

12/11/2016 - 08:49 |
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Soarer-Dom

In reply to by Anonymous (not verified)

They are common issues that we have come across, just like how R34’s tend to rust around the boot entry and bootlid.
I am not an advocate for Subaru; I owned a Legacy and it has been the worst car I’ve owned, but considering the value for price, the turbo Legacy is a mighty fine bargain. What other cars can you get for $6,000 (outside Japan) with AWD and 206kW stock.

12/11/2016 - 09:10 |
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Anonymous

“Instead of buying a Stagea, how about a Subaru GTB E-Tune or Blitzen. They have the same practicality, space and speed, and only weigh 1490Kg. Also there are more around and many of them came off the production line as a manual. Just make sure you get one with a bonnet scoop - you will thank me later.”

That’s really personal taste when it gets to that. The stagea’s flat tail shape does everything for me that the Legacy GTB’s slanted hatch glass does not. The Stagea Looks a lot more like a shooting brake because of that hatch treatment, and in practice you have just that much more extra room because the roof is longer.

Also the sequential twin turbo is notoriously finicky and difficult to handle in a track work in that you have to work with dip in torque between the two turbo peaks. certainly there are ways to correct that but stock for stock there is a problem right there. Also more torque in the RB26 vs the EJ208. Torque can overcome the weight handicap quite nicely. Also on a day to day basis having more torque is the difference between blow past the competition by surprise or get pushed back in a closing lane traffic situation. Instant gratification is instant, on paper result is irrelevant in these moments in your experience.

12/11/2016 - 08:59 |
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Martins Skulte

Good thing im in country where its illegal and dont care :)

12/11/2016 - 09:07 |
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Anonymous

I love my Stagea, it’s a 1999 RSFOUR V, manual conversion and full leather interior. I’ve had it for 5 years now and the “novelty” has not worn off. I will admit though, I used to own a Legnum VR-4 and would happily own another.

12/11/2016 - 09:59 |
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