The Worst 10 Performance Cars of 2009
Top Ten lists are a longstanding tradition with automotive journalism outlets. And why not? People love a Top Ten list (it gives them something to argue about!), and man, they’re not exactly hard to throw together. The issue is that the vast majority of them are fluff, crap, really just a slap on the back to whichever manufacturer schmoozed that rag the most that year.
Well we here at CarThrottle don’t subscribe to that happy, shiny version of things. To be honest, a large number of the cars on our roads are complete, total junk. This has always been obvious. The world’s full of Chrysler Sebrings and Kia Amantis. But there are even cars trying to pass as performance vehicles (which is a heavy focus of this site, if you’ve noticed) that really can’t cover the checks they write. And despite a consumer market that continues to get pickier and pickier, it still seems that some makers think they can get away with putting a Monroney on a turd and trying to sell it.
So, yeah, it’s a top ten list! But with a twist. This list aims to point out the performance cars still sold in 2009 that fall below the mark, that leave a lot to be desired. These are the bottom of the barrel. Let us know what you think in the comments!
10th Place: Mitsubishi Eclipse

It’s almost 2010, and Mitsubishi still exists in America. Which in and of itself is surprising. What’s even funnier is that they’re still selling the Eclipse. It’s awful in a way only Alfa GTV owners (of the ’90s variety) would appreciate. The bulbous, grotesque styling looks like a melted Audi TT – or maybe a pregnant 350Z. Your choice of engines is pretty dismal, too: you can either have an iron-block 2.4L buzzer that wheezes out 162 thundering horsepower to motivate 3260 lbs of Galant 2-door, or if you’re really stupid you can get the GT, which has an iron-block 3.8L 24v V6. Which is, as you’d imagine, quite heavy. And of course the Eclipse is FWD-only – has been since the third generation came out in 2000 – so that means a few things. Mainly understeer, torque steer, wheelspin, and a number of other problems associated with trying to route 265bhp through the front wheels of what is, really, a Galant.
This wasn’t even an appealing car when it debuted a few years ago; today, you can pay roughly the same amount of money for a Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T, which is, you know, actually fun to drive in addition to being actually, you know, good to look at. So, yeah, Eclipse – you fail.
9th Place: Chevrolet Impala SS

I think everyone already knows how much I hate the Impala SS. But, just to recap: What GM did was develop an absolutely fantastic motor (the LS4, a smaller-displacement version of the Corvette-derived LS series), and proceeded to stick it in a whole bunch of chassis’ that didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of coping with all the power.
303bhp and 323lb-ft of torque are respectable numbers these days, but the W-body GM midsize platform has roots dating back to the early eighties. And back then, they pretty much stayed away from high-horsepower FWD cars with the technology of the day. Do you wonder why? Things like unequal-length high-angle half-shafts, loose and floppy steering, and useless brakes end up making the SS seem more like “Seriously Scary” than whatever it used to stand for.
8th Place: Dodge Caliber SRT-4

The original SRT-4 was a hoot: a big hunk of turbo four under the hood of the cheap, plastic Neon. It was refreshingly performance-centric; it had chunky, grippy seats, a thick steering wheel, a great shifter and a nicely integrated boost gauge. And almost nothing else; it even had roll-up windows in the back, which is still pretty funny. But it was impossible to not have fun in an old SRT-4. It spooled and ran like it got rear-ended by a dump truck, it would spin the tires clear through second on a wet day, and it was easy as pie to get 300whp out of it.
Then Dodge replaced the Neon with the Caliber, and what was a pretty bad car became a truly awful car. I’m not sure Dodge ever really knew what the Caliber was supposed to be, but at the same time I’m pretty sure they got it wrong. It’s got SUV proportions- all high and narrow and tippy – but sad little gravel-mixer engines. Except the SRT-4, which packs a monsterous Mitsubishi-derived 2.4L Turbo motor, which cranks out 285bhp.
Which is fun! It really is. But in a Caliber, what that equates to is homicidal weapons-grade torque steer, turbo lag that 80′s Saab owners would find uncomfortably long and dramatic, about 300lb/ft of resistance in the clutch pedal, and a ride that only your chiropractor’s accountant could love.
Is it fast? Yeah, in a straight line. But hustling an SRT-4 Caliber feels strangely like work, which means that Dodge missed the point of the whole hot-hatch thing.
7th Place: Toyota Corolla XRS

Another fall from grace here. The previous Corolla XRS may not have been a looker, but it did have the same engine as the Lotus Elise under it’s hood. The Yamaha-designed 2ZZ-GE is one of my favorite engines, and even in detuned Corolla form it was a hoot. Astronomical redline, banzai VVTL-i cam lift changeover, tight six-speed manual, four-wheel discs… It wasn’t a land-based rocket, but it was real, genuine fun to drive.
But like most other things Toyota, it’s gone from boring to “please shoot me.” The high-winding 2ZZ was replaced with the 2.4L 16v motor out of the Camry. Because nothing says exciting like a Camry motor! Now, it’s got enough torque to buzz the tires through first gear with the five-speed, but with 158bhp, that’s about all it can do. There’s the possibility of adapting the TRD blower from the Scion tC, but would you even want to bother? If anything, the Corolla’s gotten less interesting and more plastic-feeling than the previous generation, and that’s saying quite a lot. Big thumbs down to this regression step.
6th Place: Buick Lucerne Super

More GM drivel here – act surprised. The Lucerne is the final demonic incantation of GM’s sub-par W-body, which should have died with the Grand Prix. But instead of dying, GM continues to crank it out because stupid people continue to buy them. And you can even get the hot-rod Lucerne Super, which is perhaps the most ironically named car I can think of.
What, exactly, is “Super” about a 4.6L 32v V8 that only puts down 292bhp? Especially when GM’s got a lighter 3.6L 24v V6 that makes 304? And, again, as we’ve discussed there’s no such thing as a good FWD transverse-V8 GM car. But for the “honor” of having a 16-year old engine under the hood of your ancient Buick, GM would really like you to give them $39,000 and change. And, as I’ve said a million times before, that kinda money could get you a real car.
5th Place: Ford Taurus SHO

I know, perhaps a dramatic decision. After my recent SHO experience though, I’m ready to call this one a disappointment of a large caliber. (No pun intended.) The SHO has all the right ingredients on paper: modern, attractive styling, tons of gizmos, Twin-Turbo DI 24v V6, Haldex 4WD, a paddle-shifted 6 speed automatic, tons of power and immense low end torque…
But as you learn, things that sound great on paper don’t always translate into the real world. Especially when you’re getting into a car expecting it to be an SHO. The old SHO was all about the howling Yamaha V6, it was a budget BMW or Audi for those that wanted to be different. The new SHO is just an EcoBoost motor (which is admittedly awesome) in a loaded Taurus. It feels overweight and underexcited about the prospect of propulsion. It’s quick, but it’s like a quarterback that would rather watch the game on TV. One for the 300C crowd, then…
4th Place: Mazda 6

Mazda’s previous 6 (Atenza in Japan) might not’ve been the most dramatic-looking vehicle out there, but it was one of the most entertaining steers in the mainstream family sedan market. There was also the elegant wagon and the nifty five-door hatch version. But the appeal laid in the ability to get either the four or the bent-six with a 5-speed manual and tight suspension. Sure, the new 6 might have way more power – it’s 3.7L 24v V6 has 272bhp, compared to the old 3.0L Duratec with 220 horses – but it’s also quite huge (think Impala) and rather unfortunate looking.
The problem is that Mazda tried to both push the 6 more into the mainstream (more space) and make it more individual (pregnant RX-8 styling.) It just doesn’t work, really. And the saddest bit is the demise of the MazdaSpeed6 – that old AWD, turbocharged, 6MT-equipped rally weapon they used to sell. Sure, the V6 has almost as much power (272 vs. 280) but there’s no way that heavy-nosed V6 FWD automatic-only 6s can hold a candle to a lightweight 4WD sedan stuffed full of boost. Very sad.
3rd Place: Volvo “R-Design” Cars
Remember the Volvo S60R? It looked like this:

And, to back up the huge intakes and large wheels and brakes and all the other visual pizzaz, it had a 300bhp turbocharged straight-five that sounded like a pissed-off Audi Quattro. Oh, and Haldex AWD. And a 6-speed manual. And an instantly variable three-mode chassis setup, and huge brakes, and twin intercoolers, and it went like stink… you get the point. Compared to most things, it was visibly subtle (c’mon! It’s a Volvo!) but if Mustang GT drivers weren’t careful with the launch, all they’d be seeing were some Volvo tail-lights. Very satisfying, and even moreso in the mechanically identical V70R wagon version.

Sadly, Volvo decided the S60/V70R were way too cool to exist, people didn’t want fast Volvos, blah blah blah. So now they’ll sell you a Volvo that looks fast. Like this V70 R-Design, which has the same boring engines as a regular new V70, only it’s got a totally sweet bodykit and wheels. This is an improvement?
2nd Place: Porsche Cayenne

Beating a dead horse here, I know. But I’m sorry: If it has a Porsche badge, it should be fast. So why, then, is a V6 Cayenne slower to 60mph than a Honda Odyssey? And also, why can you get a Porsche Cayenne with a 3.0L Diesel? What is the world coming to?
1st Place: Ford Mustang V6

And we get to the ultimate performance poser! While the Camaro boasted a nifty 3.6L 24v DI V6 this year, which cranked out a no-joke 304bhp, the Mustang continued to stay on course with it’s fabulous 4.0L V6. Which manages to cough up 210bhp. So despite the new, super-sexy bodywork, the 2010 V6 Mustang was still a three-legged pony. Or, wretchedly slow and awful – it’s up to you! And while the V6 Camaro managed to surprise and delight, the V6 Mustang gets beat up by… of all things, the Eclipse GT! Oh dear, we’ve come full circle.
The good news is that Ford is answering your cries of pain next year. As you may have heard, the ancient 4.0L is getting the heave-ho, and a new Mazda-derived 3.7L 24v V6 is taking it’s place, which promises 305bhp and something other than meatgrinder noises coming out of the tailpipe. Hurray!

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nice attempt at a top 10 list but it falls way short of whatever it was you were trying to achieve. and your selection of non performance cars in a performance car list, and your review of the caliber srt4 (if you would call it a review) tells me you probably never drove the caliber srt4 or any of the other cars on the list. your information is incorrect in some cases and you borrow your “reviews” from car and driver and motortrend. which is annoying.
What a horrible top 10 list. I don’t think any V6 Mustang is trying to be a performance care. I also don’t understand how you can mix and match several different trim levels and engine options to make up this list.
Buick Lucerne trying to be a performance car just because they offered a larger engine option? Please….
A Porsche Cayenne is an SUV, not a performance car. Leave it out of the list.
A Mazda 6 is nothing but a normal sedan. How is that a performance car?
If you’re going to include the Caliber SRT4, you might as well include the Mazdaspeed3 which has virtually identical performance numbers in all areas.
Put down the pipe the next time you write an article, please.
FAIL. Lets see, you could have included the tiburon, hhr ss, Mazdaspeed3 or mazdaspeed6 (their engine design failure) maybe even a TC or a Yaris based on the way their advertised. All you did was repeat what car and driver wrote.
Ok, in all seriousness. for 20,000 or about there, what the hell do people expect from the caliber srt4- Let me break it down, mitsubishi turbo, stout bottom end, big displacement, mediocre interior, big ol shiny wheels, 400whp+ with about 2000$ of mods, and reliable.. performance isn’t failing if you have striped seats, or a fancy cupholder.
Your article is a joke, Way to have a magazine subscription, and the ability to regurgitate some menial synopsis of their bash list for 2009. Hurray for Research and real journalism, way to go. This is what we get for giving into the internet fad of giving every schmo a blog or “column”.
well obviously this guy needs to be fired, his a complete idiot. half of these car are not even performance cars.
None of the other cars should be considered “performance cars except the CSRT and the SHO….The new SHO I would consider the best SHO yet,and I’ve driven a few…The Eclipse like the v6 Mustang is considered a sporty type of car,not a high performance vehicle. The Eclipse GT is supposed to be an inexpensive Grand Touring vehicle,which is a different type of performance. As for as the Cayenne,you should have used either the Turbo or the GTS,that’s their performance models..
now for the CSRT…I’ve stuck with quite a few two seaters in spirited conditions,and they couldn’t shake me,it’s a DRIVER’S car..The bewtter your skill,the better it goes..The SRT engineers used special spring rates with equal length axle shafts to reduce TQ,it’s comparable to the HHR 2LT that I owned… The trans is a 6 SPEED GETRAG,true car guys know what Getrag means…Turbo lag??? I can do a strong acceleration pull from 55 – 65mph to triple digits…In 6th GEAR!!!
now for the looks,they’re not for everyone I can admit..But it draws attention,I’ve had folks stay in my blind spot just to check it out..
I certainly don’t see myself coming and going down the street..Rumor has it that only 2,000 CSRTs were made during the 3 years it was manufactured…It’s an VERY underated high performance vehicle….
i forgot about the Impala SS,but you’ve never liked them since they’ve been made…It’s supposed a car for the family guy who wanted some performance and to be able to haul the kids/grandkids and groceries….Hmmmmm,sort of like the CSRT;LOL!!!!
Seems like the Caliber forums are out in force! You can tell by all of the abbreviations being used for short phrases. (“LOL!”)
I’m glad the things I write cause the normally “too lazy to type” lurkers on the internet to post. I think that’s a good thing, even if some of these comments are approximately youtube quality.
Just for the record, I’ve only drive one CSRT-4, a bright orange 2007 model, and it was horrendous. Also quite fast, but definitely awful. I stand by this opinion based on my Caliber SRT-4 experience, and not “what car and driver said.” Feel free to show me any of my work that is a duplicate of C&D’s, i’d be amused to see that!
Thanks!
I’d like to know how you drove a 2007 CSRT4 when they don’t exist…
Only two model years, 2008 and 2009.
You still haven’t explained what idiocy was taking place inside your skull creating the rest of this list.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I highly doubt anyone is going to put any weight in yours when you create a list like this and love Saab styling.
So let me get this straight.
You post an article, in hopes of one day becoming a writer in a big car magazine, yet when only a half dozen readers respond with comments, your first reaction is to insult them all??
Unfortunately, you will never aspire to become anything else than a medicore, internet blogger. You say everyone’s comments are youtube quality, but your post is even worse. If you had actually done your research, you would know what many have pointed out, that you don’t know the difference between a family sedan, an SUV and a performance car.
Most of these cars were not even marketed as a performance car by the manufacturers, so why is it fair that you compare them to one another?
Even Car & Driver are smart enough to know that you don’t compare a Toyota Corolla, Buick Lucerne and a Porsche Cayenne in the same review.
As an example, I looked at Car & Driver’s, and Motortrend’s reviews of the Caliber Srt4 and they both found the turbo lag was virtually non-existant. Maybe you don’t know how to drive a Turbo car?
By the way, the Caliber SRT4 started production in 2008, not 2007.
Yes, this article was clearly a comparison of all these vehicles, rather than a top ten list for amusement purposes. In this comparison, I clearly compared the objective, quantitative qualities of these comparable vehicles. ;-)
Actually, what the list was, and what the list said it was, are a few cars pitched by their manufacturers as “performance” vehicles which, in my opinion, fall short of the mark.
Mazda says the 6 is full of “zoom-zoom” when really it’s just full. The Eclipse is “a beauty on the outside, and a real beast inside” – no. Porsche pitches the freaking Cayenne as part of it’s racing heritage and “genetic character” even with a VW VR6 under the hood. Any car called “Super” probably should be. The Mustang looks like a Muscle car but gets dusted by Accords. The Caliber is a joke, always has been.
And yeah, I guess the Caliber SRT-4 did hit the market in 2008. You got me there. Still, saying that I’m stupid enough to drive an SXT and think it’s an SRT-4 is pretty hilarious.
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Hah… the Caliber SRT4 is ugly as sin. Really. I have NO idea what the designers were doing. Even they didn’t… the designer claimed on the rollout that they wanted you to wonder if it was a wagon, or an SUV, or what. Probably because they couldn’t figure it out either.
That orange 2007 (non-SRT, probably SXT) Caliber that you drove was a piece of crap, I rented one for 9 days in July 2007 and laughed at them for 2 years. It sounded like crap, it was gutless, it cornered like a Yugo, was far too tall, the seats blocked your view when shoulder checking, etc.
However, I bought a Caliber SRT4 this year, and I love it. It’s still ugly, but everyone who tries racing me gets the butt-end view.
Turbo lag? WTF turbo lag did you experience? But I digress…
It’s not like I actually WANT to defend the Caliber, it wasn’t my first choice. Hell, I had a deposit on a Challenger, but I beat both an R/T and an SRT8 with my Daytona Shelby Z… and that’s when I realized I was only going to be happy with another turbo Dodge.
400HP is going to be a few hundred $$$ away. And it doesn’t take much creativity to figure out that wider tires fix the cornering, considering there’s no noticeable body roll to start with.
But hey, you just go right ahead… any “worst 10″ list that concludes a base-model Mustang is a poor performer is lacking in logic anyway.
Umm, you know, you may not agree with my list, but I am quite sure that the Caliber I drove was an SRT-4. It was the one that said SRT-4 on the back and had the nasty turbo motor with tons of lag under the hood. I’m not sure why this is in question. YOU might not think it’s a lot of lag, but have you driven, say, a VW 1.8T? Or a BMW 335i? Then come back and tell me the SRT-4 has no lag. Personally it has worse lag than my 900 16v Turbo, which has an old-school T3. But the SRT-4 DOES make a lot of power.
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I bought my fiance’ a VW 1.8T….I can assure you that the turbo responsiveness is about the same…
You actually have to take cars out and do a few laps or something like that on a track or some performance facility rather than renting a car and mashing the throttle on some slippery concrete behind soem strip mall….
also, unless there is a JATO rocket strapped to the back of it, I can’t think of any feasible way that a K-car based Daytona would stand a chance against an SRT-8. Although you didn’t specify which SRT-8.
having driven both a CSRT-4 and various 1.8T’s (K03, K03s, K04 T/I, 1.8T’s in various states of tune) I can say that the little K03-turbo 1.8T’s have FAR less lag than the CSRT-4, mainly because they use a smaller turbo. And yes, they make less power stock – smaller turbo, 600cc’s less displacement – but even with aftermarket modifications they are still surprisingly lag-free thanks to the small impeller.
I will start deleting comments on this article if they continue to sink to YouTube quality dirt-slinging. We’re classier than that around here, kiddos. This is not an Autoblog-style free-for-all website where you can troll around and act ridiculous. Behave like grownups.
Hey James,
How about we stop the YouTube quality articles?
I’m not trying to give you a hard time….I’m just stating pretty much factual information…My fiance’s VW 1.8T has the KO4 turbo,which is a better turbo than the KO3…I’ve driven her car (since I bought it for her,I did some “spirited driving” with it,and I’m telling you that my CSRT4 has the same responsiveness as far as turbo lag..Whne I can do a hard acceleration pull in 6th gear,that proves that it does…
What I’m saying is that you being a budding car article writer,you wouldn’t listen to what the manufacters spiel on what they’re trying to sell to the uninformed,average customer..It works for those who don’t know better,but even I know when that Porsche uses that type of advertising,they’re appealing to those who wouldn’t know a 912 from a 911 from a 914 from a 928 to a 924/944 to a 911..That type of report works for a Consumer Reports type of person,but not for a old gearhead like me…
Pesonally I never gave you a insult,nor did I question your intelligence. All I’m saying is that if you aspire to be a automotive writer,you are going to know what is a performance vehicle is and isn’t and don’t get into beliving just because the manufacters ssys something,then that it what it’s supposed to represent… Buick hasn’t made any performance since the Grand National.
The Eclipse GT is a grand touring car almost like a poor man’s 928.
The Mustang V6 is what I call a secretary’s/mature folks who want to be sporty type of vehicle..The new V6 will up the ante,but not by that much,it’ll never the the equal of the last generation of 4.6 GT.
MazdaSpeed cars are more of a comparison for a performance vehicle,not the regular 6. The cars that you were harsh on serve their purpose…I understand your sharp retorts to what you take as an offense..Bottom line;it’s your domain do what you want to with what your write…I’m just saying put yourself in the car guy frame of mind and not the usual do believes everything the manufacters ads say…You as a writer are supposed to be BETTER than that!!! Take your testing on an actual performance facility and under conditions that you wouldn’t do any spirited driving..
(off my soapbox now..)
Ok, I see where you’re coming from. Sorry for the ruffled hairs. I certainly don’t fall for this crap – the Super isn’t a sports sedan, the Eclipse is no M3, the V6 Mustang is clearly a hairdresser’s car, but my problem here is that Manufacturer X is pitching their car to Uninformed Consumer Y as “Performance Vehicle Z”, and Y is too stupid to realize that X is lying to them about Z being anything but a fail-tacular commuter device!
/soapbox.
Salutations.
Good luck being a writer. I really do think you have the chops for it.
Deuces.
Thank you.
Hey James,
I bet I can put you in the seat of my CSRT and make you eat your words.
The passenger seat by the way, cause it is obvious from your previous comments that you failed at driving a CSRT4 to its full potential the first time.
There are so many other problems with your “review”… but most have been addressed.
I figured i’d just offer to put you in your place because people like you… are the reason the car never got a real chance. Shit talkers have more power than they realize. It’s a shame.
Well let’s get on with it. I only drove the CSRT-4 for about half-hour, and it was on a mix of city streets (25-35mph limit, corners) and the highway (65mph limit, on-ramps) briefly. A test drive can never give you a perfect impression of a car, but the CSRT-4 leaves you with a strong impression of what it is within the first few minutes.
I mean, I can sit in the passenger seat while you show me how fast your Caliber is, but that’s nothing I don’t already know. i didn’t even say the car was slow in the article – in fact, basically the opposite. It’s ALARMINGLY powerful in stock form, it’s way too much power for the chassis without a single thing done besides putting in gas and turning the key.
So, yeah, you’ve got a 400whp CSRT-4? I bet it’s a freaking hoot. I also bet it doesn’t get traction in the first two gears when you floor it, either. Which is exactly what I said in the article. Which if you had read, you’d understand?
Again, I’m just not sure what about riding in an SRT-4 would make me eat my words when i’ve already driven one. I already know they’re fast as hell and a bit scary. And again, I know a thing about turbo cars being a handful to drive – with the tweaked APC box my SPG would light up the inside tire on a wet corner in third gear. I might be young but I DO know how to drive, and I’ve driven enough cars to know that the CSRT-4 has two things going on: 1) an AWESOME engine, which i’ve already said like EIGHT TIMES and 2) A chassis with no hope of keeping up with said awesome engine. JUST like the Impala SS, which I notice no forum nerds have rushed to defend.
Yes, if this was a review/comparison article, there would be some SERIOUS problems with it. it’s not. It’s a goofy top ten that pokes fun at cars pitched as performance vehicles of some sort, that aren’t. Not hard to understand. I’m sorry if I’m sounding frustrated, but yours is about the 10th post on this article saying the same stupid thing.
Forum nerds?
In business, customers can insult a business. It doesn’t work the other way around. I’ve never even heard of this site until I was sent the link to this article.
Since I’ve never heard of this site, changes are you’re probably just begging for internet traffic. You’ve still fell back on garbage like this article, and now insulting people who are VISITING this site and leaving comments.
Incredible.
i dont see what you mean by “it doesnt have the chassis to keep up with the engine”? heres some info, the lancer and caliber are built on the same platform and share more then a few things between them. so is the evo X a pos too? the csrt “chassis” is actually quite stiff/strong already.
Put down the pipe the next time you write an article, please.
You still haven’t explained what idiocy was taking place inside your skull creating the rest of this list.
Hey James, maybe you just need to learn how to drive. While you’re at it, drive to your nearest community college to take some journalism and English composition courses.
How about we stop the YouTube quality articles?
Hi Jeff (GreaseMonkey), Adnan here (Founder of Car Throttle).
I do appreciate you dropping by and leaving comments related to the article. Necessarily you would be right in thinking that the customer for each business is always right, however in the case of auto journalism where each journalist is entitled to his/her own opinion, this cannot obviously be the case.
The part that irritates me the most is where you state that a customer can insult a business. Sure, a customer can give their feedback on an article which some commenters above have written with respect, and sites like ours have a comments function to allow car fans like yourself to disagree and chime in with opinions if you so wish.
As you can see from my quotes above though, I think you’ve gone a little too far on the “insulting” and ad hominem attacks against staff is not on and would not be tolerated with any other business.
Hope you can understand where we are coming from. As James has mentioned numerous times and on the forum, this article (and in fact most auto opinion pieces) should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Adnan
Founder, CarThrottle.com
Adnan,
Too each his own. I’d be concerned on your part that you’re letting articles like this get published on your site where readers are tearing your writer a new one. I’m not just talking about the Caliber itself, but the article in its entirety.
If you want to push garbage and then defend it, so be it. I think the comments you just directed towards me should also be directed to your writer as well.
Thank you for making it a point for me never to visit this site again.
I understand that you’re trying to give a type of review that “warns” the typical car buyer that isn’t a car buff….I can relate to that,it’s just that the typical driver never get on a car forum let alone read an automotive magazine…So you’re going to get the car guy/gal on articles/forums like this one…Those who own a certain brand of automobile will defend their car…The typical CSRT4 owner is a passionate one (as you’ve unfortunately found out) mostly of the mostly negative reviews on a car that few own or experience…Like I said eariler I try to give replies that insult or denigrate an individual,but sometimes you’ll have to brace yourself for strong replies to strong views..Just think if your article had reached a Mustang,Mitsubishi,Porsche or other forums…
Oh,read your review of the Impala SS,I did leave a comment…I do love cars…I can only speak for myself,not anybody and everybody else..
Adnan…i respect you defending James…All I’m saying is you have to take more than 30 minutes to get a prospective of any vehicle…I test drive any vehicle for at least a couple of hours…Hit some curves,stand on those brakes,get off the highway and parking lot and do an all around road test,both on wet and dry pavement…And to do that you’re going to have to go where you can truly let her rip without fear of being stopped of law enforcement…
Yay for an opinion being based upon 30 minutes in a car.
actually put it on a track.. then insult it if the insult is still warranted.
youre getting feed back from caliber owners because we actually know what the car is like.
Do not trash talk what you do not know. That is the point.
All I’m saying is you have to take more than 30 minutes to get a prospective of any vehicle…I test drive any vehicle for at least a couple of hours…Hit some curves,stand on those brakes,get off the highway and parking lot and do an all around road test,both on wet and dry pavement.
Appreciate your comments Brian and I respect the fact that you’re trying to be objective here rather than throw off-the-cuff insults.
Maybe you’re right in that a proper judgement can’t be made in 30 minutes, but then again, this isn’t a full test drive/review. James had to try and sum up the car without being too verbose, and from the way he has described his experience, I don’t think it would have mattered if he’d had half a day with the SRT-4!
As always, we take user comments on board when constructive criticism is given, so thanks for joining the conversation.
I’m still confused though, if your objective of this article was to bash car companies for false advertisement (in the sense of these cars are fast when their really not) they I definitely think you should have bashed scion…..or toyota more in general. Theres ALOT of car companies that do that. Yeah, I drive a caliber srt4, but I dont understand how or why this car is on your list? Hell, I’m suprised you even know what I drive! Pretty sure this is THE fastest FWD turbo 4 cylinder car to be produced in 2008. Do we get kudos for that?
I mean really what are you judging this list off of? Looks? Its moreless a love it or hate it car(csrt4). Lets be real, theres 2 things this car actually lacks, LSD and better throttle response(which is a tsb) We have an aftermarket LSD and Pretty much every other part available that you can imagine. At the very least, you could have said this car has an AWESOME platform. Basically you called our car a “brick” chassis……little did you know we share ALOT of similarities between the new Evo. Is that a garbage car also?
Do yourself a favor, drive a caliber srt4 that has had the throttle recall done and do a few laps or track it somewhere.
Actually, James, it would have taken you about 10 seconds of “research” to note that I have been involved in Shelby-Dodge circles since those circles began. And my Daytona has about $200 in mods: bigger injectors and a completely re-written ECM… written by me. And it’s pretty odd that you can’t imagine my 13 second Daytona beating the crap out of a Challenger SRT-8 up here at 3500 feet. Oh, what’s that? You didn’t think I had done ANYthing to my 22 year old car in the 22 years I’ve owned it???
Oh well.
As I said, based on my 9 days with a Caliber in 2007 there was NO WAY I was ever going to get one. But I did. And just as soon as the warranty is up, it will cost me just a few hundred $$$ to get it into the 12s. It’s still ugly as sin, though.
I personally think this is a RUBBISH list of cars to compare to each other. Seriously, who jumps from a Toyota to a Buick when comparing “performance” cars
Ask ANYONE involved with tuning and or building cars, and i can guarantee that Toyota and Buick will not be mentioned unless the words “ae86, or grand national” come up.
And seriously, putting an SUV into the mix? Really? Also, the mustang v6? How much of a “car guy” are you? Have you EVER EVER EVER heard of a mustang v6 as a “performance” car?
Do you know the history of the mustang? Let me give you a small hint, the mustang v6 models were meant for secretary’s, who wanted the look of a sports car, but wanted better fuel economy, and the looks, without the higher price tag, and to keep insurance rates down?
Next time, do some REAL research on what cars you are going to do a review on, THEN do actual research on the cars themselves, and a half an hour is NOT enough time to properly review a car. Have you ever watched top gear, or a similar program, where they drive cars cross country to review them?
As for the caliber that is on your list, i have to COMPLETELY disagree with you, and ask why it is even on the list to begin with. You cannot write a review and say the car is dead ugly. That is personal opinion, and should be left out of a factual(which your article is FAR from) review on cars. You can brag all you want about your saab not having turbo lag, etc etc etc, but seriously, you drove the car for what, 30 minutes? Do a proper review on the car next time, seriously.
Take some lessons man, you have a LOT to learn before you become a car reviewer. I also cannot believe that with all the negative comments that were posted, you cannot take the criticism, and LEARN from it. Obviously, people read your story and didnt like it. They purpose of writing articles is for people to LIKE what they read. Take your readers advice, and change the way you write.
I, too find the quality appalling..doesn’t exactly do anything for the credibility of a (new?) site like this.
Though unlike rest of the comments, I don’t fault the author for the lacklustre article.
Instead, this should not have gotten past the editor/founder/whoever-vets-this-stuff of carthrottle.
Hopefully this is a lesson well learnt…
come to think of it, you should have used a caliber R/T instead of the srt. Fail
James,
Thank you for an entertaining article. I may be a lone voice here, but having written (and been paid for) some auto blogs, I can attest that it is easier to criticize than create.
Nothing wrong with a factual correction, or different take on why something should have been included or something else left out, but the character assassination is a waste of blog space.
I am always looking for hidden gems in the performance genre, it is fun to see a list of ‘gems’ that should remain hidden.
I drove the Mazdaspeed 3 and it tried to change lanes all by itself.
The Mustang GT was better than I thought, but clearly should be the only version offered until they release the 2011 fix.
The Pontiac GTO from a few years ago hesitated like a virgin unless you got the manual tranny. Or take the base Sky or Solstice, please – are you kidding me?
I can outrun either with a good pair of Nikes. The GXP and Redline versions were the only ones that worked.
Lots of guilty candidates out there I guess.
My 2010 2.0l Caliber SXT hauls ass and handles corners at high speeds with ease. The styling is awesome, it’s quiet inside, fully loaded, engine that runs smooth and gets good mpg. As far as I’m concerned, dodge makes the best looking american cars hands down.
A 2.0L Caliber “hauls ass” if your only other transportation perspective is a bicycle.
up to 20 mph not so peppy but once moving, tromp on it it goes. I didn’t say it was a srt4 but can get a person into trouble. I’ve taken turns with this car with the passenger feeling like they were sitting on the door. You said they only do good in a straight line and hence you are missinforming the public. FACT: it handles like a sports car. BTW did you drive a 2010 SXT 2.0L? Made alot of improvements to the car…..smartass
Actually it seems that there were 13 “pre-production” Caliber SRT-4 made. This was found out recently.
So it seems that the author has been vindicated.
I don’t know how accurate this list is. But when I see Mustang V6 as #1. This list is at least 1 car accurate to me. LOL
stating that the Caliber handles like a sports car as a fact is pretty funny. Anything with MacPherson struts at the front, a twist-beam cart axle in the back, and a center of gravity closer to an Explorer than a Neon doesn’t handle like a sports car. Considering the SRT-4 (and, it was the SRT-4… thankfully I’m not thick enough to mistake a 148bhp engine for a 285bhp engine, or a sad CVT for a Getrag 6-speed) handled like it was on stilts, I’d have to say that physics would dictate the base models (with taller suspension, squishier tires with taller sidewalls, etc) would handle even worse. Which is hard to do.
Maybe your assumption that the Caliber handles like a sports car comes from having never actually driven a sports car? This would be my guess.
(sorry to our regular readers for the rude nature of this comment. The continuously ridiculous nature of comments on this article is wearing my patience thin. Just because you’re a fan doesn’t mean you’re an expert, and just because you like a car doesn’t mean it’s immune to the laws of physics.)
ever drive a volvo s60r?
allow me to clarify, I think the article specified it but It’s been so long I’m not sure. The S60R AWD and V70R AWD were epic vehicles. They were awesome. I’ve driven a V70R AWD with the 5-speed “geartronic” automatic which had the lower torque output, back when it was new in ’05 I believe. They are serious performance vehicles, a jack of all trades – the manuals will do 60mph in about 5.5s, and the 4-C chassis genuinely works, rock hard and flat cornering in advanced, comfy highway cruising in comfort, and a just-right daily balance in sport. The engine is awesome even if it’s more of a light switch than a rheostat, but that five-cylinder growl is amazing (having had two 5-cyls, I’m a fan) and the mid-range torque is awesome.
Now, as for the R-Design or R-line or whatever, my problem is that they’ve got all the “R” stuff but none of the “R” performance. It’s just a big stuffed shirt of a car, all big wheels and spoilers and stickers and no real performance.
So yes, S60R/V70R – awesome cars. S60 R-design, NOT awesome. This article was talking about the “R-design” cars, not the actual S60R (along with the Gen1 V70R AWD, as well as the 850 T-5R and 850R). Think of the R-design like a Mercedes with the “AMG package” or an Audi “S-Line” car – it has the appearance of a factory tuned car (wheels, bodykit, etc like a C55 AMG or S4) without the actual meat, bog-standard engine and just tape and stickers. I personally am a huge fan of the S60R for it’s performance, comfort, and stealth.
Thanks for dropping by!
another way of looking at this (in a more positive light) would be “thank god there’s a car for everyone.”
Hold on a sec here. Are you saying all these cars are less performance oriented than a Hyundai Accent SR, or a Toyota Yaris RS. Because, it seems that both of these cars would fit the bill on your definition on a performance car. Hell, why not throw in a Kia Rio in beside the Corolla? Maybe the Rio is too fast to make the list…
I like your list James, and as always your sense of humor in teasing those cars/companies :)
I rode in a Neon SRT4 on a racetrack with a racer behind the wheel and I thought the car was absolutely brilliant. Yea, it had some torque steer, and the body seemed a bit flexible, but it was fun to go faster than you would think a Neon should be. But if the new CSRT4 is so fast with such great handling, how come it isn’t tearing up SCCA road racing in the manner that the Neons of old did?
yeah the Neon SRT-4 was a hoot – I’ve ridden a few ranging from stock (which is a hoot) to driving a modified one – TD04 18g, solid motor mounts, stand-alone, 6 puck racing clutch, coilovers, about 350whp – which was terrifying. They are surprisingly easy to drive very fast. The exact opposite of a CSRT-4, which seems like a fight from the moment you turn the key. A fight you’re losing.
Wait. The 2009 Charger Hemi is actually slower than the Impala SS, so why isn’t that car in this line up?
ive never driven any of the cars(cept the volvo), but i do own a volvo s60r. and idk how it compares to others, but it has some pep. i almost bought a 06 wrx, and it was pretty fast. and the volvo is comparable to that. however, i enjoyed the comfort, the solid build, and superior ride to the wrx.its more luxury id say. this is my opinion, i could be wrong. im no speedracer, but i could tell the volvo has some speed. 0-60 is 6 for the auto that i have. and let me say its close to that. but i mean this is my first car, im far from an expert. so i could be wrong, but idk if im as wrong as u…… along with the speed, the volvo has decent handling, and the brembos for brakes are just sick. maybe u should drive it before u bash it. thanks
the article was referencing the new-generation S60/V70 R-design models, not the old S60R and V70R, which are actual performance cars. Please read before commenting.
Traveling as much as I do, I get lots of opportunities to rent vehicles, recently I had the unfortunate oppotunity to travel to Atlanta where I was informed by the Alamo representive that their only car available was the Dodge Caliber, I immediately thought of your review, and said “oh no not the Caliber” She said yes thats the hardest car/suv/ for us to rent because no one wants to drive them. Well I took the Caliber and after driving the Caliber, I gained a greater understanding as to why Chrysler had to ask Congress for Bailout Money, mainly because models like the Caliber are so poorly designed and even more poorly assembled. Yes as you mentioned it does has a great deal of power, but it doesnt work in a vehicle with such a high profile, taking a turn in the Caliber it felt like Dodge should have also installed a rollcage as a standard feature.
“Well I took the Caliber and after driving the Caliber, I gained a greater understanding as to why Chrysler had to ask Congress for Bailout Money…”
And THIS is why CarThrottle has the best commenters on the web!!
The Impala SS comes from before Chevy decided to no longer slap the SS tag on cars that would be considered more top of a normal line before developing something more ballsy the next model year (think R/T before the SRT8). It is time to replace it with the Caprice (which I have yet to even see for police).
If the Eclipse was a GT, they’ve really lost their way, because true GT’s need SOME power going to the rear wheels. I thin Mitsubishi simply quit caring since sadly no one else even bothers making cars for the sport coupe segment.
And the Lucerne (which is not a W-body) and Mustang were victims of obsolete engines. I don’t think it’s fair to act like V-6 Mustangs are as bad as the useless 4-cylinder base Fox Stangs, but Ford should have known popping the carryover 6 into the new sleeker 2010 body was a recipe for heavy criticism with the more robust one on the way. And the Lucerne? Who cares, it’s a pharmacy limo.
Toyota has no shame about not building cars for enthusiasts, so meh. And the Taurus SHO? Probably mostly a victim of the weight of today’s safety equipment. Hell, imagine how fast any of these cars would have been with these specs in 1992.
OMG!!!!!
I cannot believe your article about the NSRT being a “future collector” and then you tossed in your dig at the CSRT…
Hmmmmm;25,000 NSRTs made vs. 5500 CSRTs made?? What’s more rare?? Why do most of the NSRT owners want to get their hands on a CSRT??? You almost sound like a former CSRT owner..The only NSRT that will be a collector’s item is the ACR.
we’ll see. But there’s probably a reason they only made 5,500 CSRT’s.
All i remember from this article is “…Pregnant 350Z” hahaha! Good stuff!